SP Security - http://www.punkz.com I have been finding it quite easy to penatrate AppleShare IP servers from inside the network. Simply, you get past onguard on any computer in the network (usually a tech lab or classroom comptuer hooked up to the AppleShare IP server for internet), and then copy the User & Groups Data File from the system folder:preferences, and then decrypt it (go to www.securemac.com and look into the Mac OS algorithm). Usually there is one admin password for all the computers on the network, including the main computer (since they are all usually assimilated the same) and once you decrypt the user and groups file you should be able to have the admin pass or super user pass. Get past onguard again, and use the Chooser to connect to the main server (should take a while to find the right server on your network, depending on how big it is...) and then you should be able to acces the webpage, and all the shared folders/servers from there. Once somebody cracks the ASIP Mail passwords then you can acces all the mail too. Excellent. It took me about 3 days in all to do this at my school. I soon after notified the admin and are thinking about using the multiuser feature in mac os 9 instead of onguard. Any ideas or comments bout' it? see ya -izzy http://www.punkz.com